Cats and dogs are carnivores and should never be fed otherwise. Period!

This post is about the evergrowing thing about what we choose to feed our carnivorous pets, like cats and dogs. My personal view on this is pretty simple. Dogs and cats are carnivores and should not be fed otherwise. However, there are reasons why I believe that you can (or could) have a healthy “thriving” cat or dog that is fed vegan, and I shall explain why in this post.

Also, no hateful comments – please. Read all of this post and listen to what I’ve said. Read the linked posts before you make a hateful comment or something else in that nature. 

Thanks!

Let’s begin!

My whole life goal has been to get a Great Dane. This year of 2018 I’ve waited more than 20 years for one, and I shall have to wait a bit longer as well. I am also currently a vegetarian, striving towards becoming a vegan someday. A vegan who has the right to call themselves vegan, because my diet will be vegan. Does that mean that my future Great Dane will be vegan? Of course not! That would just be stupid, since dogs are carnivores. I admit, they are scavenging carnivores, but they have the dietary tracts and features of a carnivore. Dogs can survive on a so called omnivorous diet, but that does not mean it is the optimal diet for a dog, since they are carnivores by nature. They are designed to eat meat, flesh, bones and intestines. Just like us humans are herbivores. We are designed to eat plants such as fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and grains. Animal products make us sick because we are built to eat plants and vice versa for carnivorous animals. Especially dogs and cats. Dr. Becker explains more in the video below:

Everything she says is great except for the part where she says that humans are omnivores, since that is not true, like I explained before. But I’m not the expert here, I’m just another blogger making a valid point about facts. We are not omnivores by design, although we stupidly enough consume animal products even though we are not made to eat that.

Dr. Becker in the video above say that cats and dogs are very resilient animals. The same is true for humans. We do not just die if we are suddenly fed the wrong thing. No, instead it takes years for us to develop things such as heart disease, cancer and diabetes. Same is true for cats and dogs. But I don’t want to repeat myself. This is just the facts. The links to these facts can be found in former posts and also in other links in this posts.

What I mean by that is your vegan dog or cat can as of now seem very healthy. I am not sure, though how long that will last though. And also, what I mean by a healthy dog is mainly by these standards:

  • No smell of dog or a lot less smelly fur
  • More balanced energy according to breed and age of the dog
  • Less shedding from before the diet change
  • Shiny  and/or softer fur
  • No giant dog poops and pretty much odorless poops as well
  • Less signs of aging, graying of the fur, mobility etc.
  • Shiny teeth with no plaque and no bad breath
  • Healthy weight according to breed and age

All things mentioned in the list above have been found in dogs and cats that are fed their natural diet, which should be raw meat, bones and intestines. You can also read a more thorough post here about it.  I you have a vegan dog that also share these benefits, please let me know, because I have not yet seen anybody saying that they’ve seen these health benefits so far. What I mean by that is I have read people say that the coat is shiny, but what about smelly poops? Or giant poops for that matter? If the dog is truly healthy it should mean that the poops are really tiny, odorless and break down fast if left on the ground. Just to mention a funny thing about dog shit;

I’ve read in a FB group that feed their dogs raw (aka a meat-based diet) that they have had bags in their pockets filled with dog poop for weeks and did not notice that for a long time, because the poop did not smell. Has that ever happened to a vegan dog? I’d really like to know.

I think it is also important to not look at only individual cases. Just because a thousand dogs have gone vegan does not mean that dogs should be vegan in general, since they are built like carnivores. I know some dogs will live longer on a vegan diet, but that is also true for some humans that smoke, drink and eat tons of bacon and still live to be a hundred years old. The science overall says differently for both dog and human health.

How vegan dogs can get better on the wrong foods

If you understand Swedish, you can read my post on my blog about my earlier statements regarding vegan diets for dogs. I claim there that the main reason that dogs tend to get well or a whole lot better on a vegan diet is because the previous diet was basically shit. I mean, it is so logical that commercial dry pet foods are filled with garbage! No wonder dogs and cats get sick from that?! First of all, the dry pet food is not raw and in their natural state, just like Oreos are vegan, but not a Whole Food. See the difference? I totally understand why dogs get rid of their allergies etc while being on a vegan diet, because that diet probably means that they are fed a more “clean” diet, even though it is based on the wrong kind of food for a carnivore. I personally think it’s the cleanliness of a vegan diet that gives positive results, but what if you’d feed the dog a Biologically Appropriate Raw Diet instead? I bet you’d get the same results, if not even a whole lot better results. The downside to that is all the other animals having to die for your dog to get his or her food. But that’s nature, really…

The ethical side of things and why lab grown meat will be a win-win.

Oh, yes, here comes the whole dilemma and I understand most (if not all) of it. My whole idea regarding the ethics is basically that I’m waiting for lab grown meat to be available as a replacement for the meat humans consume today. When that happens, hopefully before 2025 or something like that, then I believe that lab grown meat is the perfect food for our carnivorous pets! Don’t you? As a vegetarian, going on vegan I’d never eat lab grown meat, because it’s still meat and bad for us humans, but for pets! OMG! That’d be wonderful!

Before that happens I still believe that all creatures in our living world should be fed the optimal diet for their own species. Us humans should all be WFPB vegans for optimal health, carnivores should be fed a meat-based diet and so on. If we keep doing it like we have been for way too long now, everything is only gonna get worse in the end with even more people being ill from our top killers and the same goes for our pets. Even though I’m a vegetarian today and striving towards being a vegan, I think it’s cruel for any living thing to be deprived of their natural and optimal diet. With the vegan movement changing all that for the human health, the planet’s health and for the animals, that will all get better in the end. I just desperately hope that lab grown meat will very soon be here and replace factory farming and other means of killing animals for their flesh and bones, because then every carnivorous pet we all love could be fed a cruelty-free diet and live a whole lot better for it.

No, having pets is not vegan, because veganism starts with the human diet.

I also have a few things to say about the whole garbage idea that having pets is not vegan. What do people mean by that? Like I’ve explained in another post of mine, it is so confusing when people refers to everything as being “vegan” or not. No, I do not believe that it is “vegan” to have pets. That’s because pets and what you choose to eat every day is not the same thing. No matter if you choose to eat an omnivorous diet or a vegan one. It might be a better way to say it. Is having pets cruel? Well, yes – if you feed them the wrong kind of diet and/or if you think of the ethical aspects of the killed animals for your carnivorous pets. But having pets in themselves have absolutely nothing to do with veganism as far as I’m concerned. They’re pets, or more likely highly valuable family members. I see my cat Maja as my baby, because that’s what she is in my view and I believe she sees us as mommy and daddy.

I absolutely adore people who do the whole #adoptdontshop thing. It’s amazing! But something like that is not for me. Regarding the whole thing about breeding dogs for looks, temper etc I totally am aware about horrible breeders destroying breeds of cats and dogs continuesly for looks instead of focusing on a healthier breed.

That is why, whenever I’ll get my Great Dane I will choose an awesome breeder that does not change the breed of Great Danes for the worse. In fact, I’ve already found them. I have found a breeder (and believe it or not, I’ve known them for almost 20 years) that spends years finding the perfect Great Danes to breed. They are primarily focused on finding healthy dogs with longevity that also follows the breeding standards of the breed. Their Great Danes look like Great Danes should, and for me that is really important. I will never buy a Great Dane from a breeder that does not put the best for the breed first. That is also a huge factor regarding why I’ve waited for so long to get a Great Dane. My breeder of choice haven’t had a litter in over 3 years. They just got a new one and the puppies are now 4 weeks of age. I’ll unfortunately have to wait a bit longer until I’m ready to have a Great Dane as well, but I hope I’ll have my baby as soon as I have a better job so I can afford it.

For me, I could never choose to go vegan over getting a Great Dane. No, that is not possible. In my mind you can have the cake and eat it too. You can be vegan, and eat a WFPB diet, while you have a Great Dane by your side that eats a Raw diet based on meat and other animal products. And you can both be healthy and hopefully in the future, cruelty-free.

Below are some more videos I found on YouTube. The playlist is of a holistic vet who feeds her Great Danes vegan, and apparently they also thrive. I have also two videos from the amazing YouTube channel “Those Annoying Vegans” that explain why they are not feeding their cats a vegan diet, and also a follow-up video from the comments made on that video. You can all watch these to learn some more.

All basic points about dogs being carnivores, signs of a healthy dog and why commercial pet foods are so bad, can be found in this post.

And I repeat, please – no hateful comments! And thanks for reading this long post!

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Vegan terminology.

I think I have to write about veganism and what I think of the terms in using plant based eating, morale and ethics. My personal view might not match other people’s view of being vegan, vegetarian or any other term used when regards to eating primarily plants. The inspiration for this post came from this video below from the great YouTube channel Footsoldier. He does great videos about a “vegan” who’s called herself Unnatural Vegan (UV for short) on YouTube and she is really (in my world and others) really, frickin’ unnatural and I do not believe for one second that she actually is vegan. Footsoldier says she’s a shill for the meat industry, and he might be right. Something does not add up here. Anyways… Let’s get on with the post – but watch the linked video below, first.

My opinions regarding this mess:

I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. That means I do not consume any kind of animal based meat, but I do consume dairy products and egg products. I eat honey(rarely, do not like it), but some lacto-ovo vegetarians might choose not to. I do not eat gelatin, but it’s very easy to miss it since it’s mostly found in candy and medicine. Many people refer being vegetarian as being lacto and/or ovo vegetarian, so if I just write vegetarian from now on in this post, that is what I’m referring to. Not being vegan.

A vegan in my book can be a vegan for many reasons. For the animals, for health, for the planet. No matter what – I personally agree with saying that your vegan if you do it for these different kinds of reasons. Anything is fine, really. If you are considered a vegan, that means in my very personal book of terminology, that you do not eat any kind of animal products. However, I am a bit unclear regarding if honey is considered vegan or not. My closest vegan friend consumes it (as far as I know) an still calls herself vegan, and that’s fine in my book. A vegan for me is based on what you eat. If you’d like to add to that, that you do not buy any animal products of any kind, you don’t go to the circus, or have leather shoes etc – that’s fine too. In my book, you’re still vegan – because you eat vegan foods and not any animal products. You’re still vegan. You are also still vegan if you still use your leather sofa at home, because you bought it when you were not vegan, and you are still vegan if you use a shampoo with animal products in them or they have been tested on animals. Remember, I’m basing veganism on what you eat, not your moral beliefs.

Being plant based is a term that’s come up lately as well. It’s mainly for those people who “just eat vegan”, but might care or do less in regards for the animals. In my book, I call these people vegan – because they are vegan. At least according to me. It’s fine to call them vegan, and not just “Plant Based”. If you’re eating a WFPB (Whole Food Plant Based) diet, which is the healthiest kinds of diets, than that’s great – but I’d still consider you being vegan. There should not be any shame in that. However, many people refrain from calling themselves vegan because they are never “vegan enough” according to some people. My reasons for saying this is explained in this very long “documentary” from VegSource that you see below:

In this video, we’ll get to know the history behind veganism and it actually began with just eating a vegan diet. Aka, just food from plants. The animal rights part came much later and today veganism is defined as:

Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

If you consider yourself being vegan for the reasons in the quote above (fetched from The Vegan Society), then that’s fine too. You’re vegan. Congrats!

Vegan vs. cruelty-free.

There are many products out there (or practices) that call them self vegan. Lab grown meat, just to mention something new. In my view – any kind of meat derived from animals is not vegan, since it’s real meat. However, I’d consider that being cruelty-free instead, since no animals have to die in order for us to get meat. It’s a great way to get meat, without hurting animals and destroying the planet in the process. I also believe that any kind of lab-grown meat should primarily be used as pet food, since cats and dogs + other pets we might own are carnivorous and should not eat carbohydrates. I am of the opinion that humans are herbivores. Not omnivores!

The impossible burger and the beyond burger is vegan, because they are derived from plants. So is any other normal vegan product that label themselves vegan, such as soy patties. Some quorn products are not vegan, because they contain egg. They are ovo-vegetarian. It also says so on the package. Another amazing company that is trying to change the world into becoming perfect (for being a lazy, somewhat unhealthy vegan) is Perfect Day. They’re trying to make dairy products without the cow. Not like any other dairy substitute either, like soy milk. Nope, these people are creating dairy milk that acts, looks and tastes like the real thing and they’re doing it with yeast. It’s absolutely amazing. If it will be healthier than original dairy products remains to be seen, but it sure will help with many people going vegan.

The one thing keeping me from going vegan for real is dairy products. In Sweden we have something called Creme Fraiche. It’s like sour cream, but fattier and tastier. Creme Fraiche and heavy cream keeps me from going vegan, basically because today there are no products that replicates the taste and the function of the original made-from-cow dairy products that we consume today. Oatly has an iFraiche, but it is way to sweet and taste like apples. I do not like. I do love their cooking cream, iMat and their yoghurts.

Vegans who consumes any kind of animal based product on a regular basis, like eggs (vegg-ans? such crazy shit!) or meat because of a mistake the restaurant made are not vegans. So called vegg-ans that eat eggs sometimes are in my book ovo-vegetarians (or semi-vegans). If you’re considering yourself to be a vegan, but sometimes knowingly eat animal products (like for the explanations in the video with UV and Footsoldier), I’d call you a Semi-vegan. Or an “off and on” vegan. If you’ve by mistake consumed meat products, I’d still call you vegan, because you did not know you were eating animal products. The difference is if you knowingly eat animal products or not.

It’s also perfectly fine to have a laid-back attitude towards being vegan. For example, if you momentarily share a spoon or a fork with somebody who just ate animal products (without clear animal products being on the fork), it’s not the end of the world. I myself have a laid-back attitude on being vegetarian. That means, for me that I’m nice to meat eaters and I do my best to spread the word of veganism without shoving it down their throats or complain about their bad habits of still eating animal products. I also do my best to not spread false information, unlike UV on Youtube.

A Semi-vegan is a person who eats vegan, but sometimes rarely consumes animal products. Whether it’s a steak once a month, or some Christmas ham every year, or even eats lacto-ovo a couple times a month, I’d call you a Semi-vegan. I myself earlier this year could practically call my self a semi-vegan, because I ate like 95% vegan for many weeks in a row. My weeks back then were based on vegan breakfasts and lunches and sometimes the dinners contained a tiny amount of cheese, milk and/or egg products.

I wish I could go back to eating that way, because it made me loose weight without doing any real exercise. Eating that way, I basically without hassle ate around at least 40-60 grams of fiber per day! A typical day looked like this:

  • Oatmeal for breakfasts with berries or granola with vegan yoghurt. Around 15 grams of fiber per serving.
  • Lentil Stew with various veggies and spices. At least 20 grams of fiber per serving.
  • Vegggie packed dinner, like roasted root vegetables with oumph, potaoes and a sauce with tiny amounts of dairy and/or eggs. At least 25 grams of fiber per serving.
  • Snacks during the day were based on fruits (sometimes dried) or berries. At least 10 grams of fiber per serving.

I have since then put back on a few inches around the waist, since I’ve gone back to eating a lot more dairy and egg products, but I’ve gone down a pant-size. My goal is always to eat as much WFPB as possible, but it’s hard when you do not have the energy required to cook the food in the first place. Being vegetarian is also so easy, and especially being an unhealthy one since there’s dairy and eggs in like every packaged food out there. If I’d go vegan, I’d probably by default become much healthier and I’d eat more plants, because you’re basically forced to, even though there are plenty of unhealthy vegan options out there.

Being a semi-vegan is also a huge goal. I’d love it if I could eat basically all of my breakfasts, lunches and dinners vegan. Heavily focused on being Whole Foods Plant Based, packed with fiber and all the nutrients, and still have cheat days, where it’s ok to eat cheese, candy and chocolate milk that contain dairy and/or eggs.

There are many different kinds of terms you could use if you’re somewhere on the plant-based-eating-spectrum. Now you know a little bit more of where I stand.

And I’ll continue writing about this later. No matter if nobody reads my blog or not!